Low sugar diet

[francispoon]

I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect tinnitus,
high sugar diet could do that also. Both high salt and sugar diet
affect the inner ear fluid concentration which could result in an
aggravated T.

Comments, please?

FP

[Peter Larsen]

Post by francispoon
I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect
tinnitus, high sugar diet could do that also.

It has also been said that coffee, tea, nicotine can affect tinnitus.

It is _known_ that quinine and the active ingredient in aspirine and
some antibiotics can.

Post by francispoon
Both high salt and sugar diet affect the inner ear fluid
concentration which could result in an
aggravated T.

Does the source explain the mechanism.

Post by francispoon
Comments, please?

My personal experience sides with the knowledge. What is most important
is a change of attitude towards tinnitus, it is "just a noise, fairly
steady state" and it is a symptom of the body attempting to recover from
hearing loss, i.e. generally to be seen as a positive indication.

Stress it seems aggravates tinnitus perception, and is a possible cause
of muscle tension and indeed eventually hypertension, either directly or
indirectly because of a "stress modified" lifestyle. Because of this is
possible for tinnitus and a negative attitude to cause a vicious circle,
and such can usually be addressed on any point on their perimeter.

Treating hypertension should however be done on the medical indication
hypertension, and not just on the indication tinnitus, treating
hypertension on only the indication tinnitus would be quackery by any
definition thereof.

Unskilled opinion.

Post by francispoon
FP

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[francispoon]

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Post by Peter Larsen
My personal experience sides with the knowledge. What is most important
is a change of attitude towards tinnitus, it is "just a noise, fairly
steady state"

If it were a matter of *only* noise, the solution could have been
simple, for myself at least. But when the tinnitus is accompanied by
somatic discomfort and tension, it is no longer that simple. Later in
my T development, i discovered that the somatic discomfort is caused
by excess ear fluid and possible seizure in my brain. For this kind
of symptoms, the solution should be medical instead of being
psychological in nature.

FP
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and it is a symptom of the body attempting to recover from

Post by Peter Larsen
hearing loss, i.e. generally to be seen as a positive indication.
Stress it seems aggravates tinnitus perception, and is a possible cause
of muscle tension and indeed eventually hypertension, either directly or
indirectly because of a "stress modified" lifestyle. Because of this is
possible for tinnitus and a negative attitude to cause a vicious circle,
and such can usually be addressed on any point on their perimeter.
Treating hypertension should however be done on the medical indication
hypertension, and not just on the indication tinnitus, treating
hypertension on only the indication tinnitus would be quackery by any
definition thereof.
Unskilled opinion.

FP

Kind regards
Peter Larsen

[Susan]

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[ENTconsult]

When it comes to diet, I always refer to Woody Allen's Movie, Sleeper as the
best information.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com

[Patty Walker]

Guess I'll have to rent it! Just out of curiosity, I have been on a low
carb diet for a little over a year. Since my T has become more pronounced
in the past year....any correlation?
Patty

Post by ENTconsult
When it comes to diet, I always refer to Woody Allen's Movie, Sleeper as the
best information.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com

[Susan]

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Post by Patty Walker
Guess I'll have to rent it! Just out of curiosity, I have been on a low
carb diet for a little over a year. Since my T has become more pronounced
in the past year....any correlation?

If you're on a low carb diet that contains a lot of feedlot raised red meat
and/or egg yolks, you may be sensitive to the inflammatory effects of the
arachidonic acid in them.

Also, low carb diets (like very low cal diets) lower active circulating
thyroid hormone. If it's possible that you have some degree of thyroid
dysfunction, this too is known to cause T and you may want to have your free T3
and rT3 (inactive T3) tested.

HTH,

Susan

[Patty Walker]

I have never really cared for red meat and rarely consume red meat on my low
carb diet. As a general rule, I eat chicken, turkey, *some* fish and
ocasionally turkey. I only have 1or sometimes 2 eggs per week. Maybe I
should have my thyroid check just to be sure though.
Thanks Susan,
Patty

Post by Susan
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Post by Patty Walker
Guess I'll have to rent it! Just out of curiosity, I have been on a low
carb diet for a little over a year. Since my T has become more pronounced
in the past year....any correlation?

If you're on a low carb diet that contains a lot of feedlot raised red meat
and/or egg yolks, you may be sensitive to the inflammatory effects of the
arachidonic acid in them.
Also, low carb diets (like very low cal diets) lower active circulating
thyroid hormone. If it's possible that you have some degree of thyroid
dysfunction, this too is known to cause T and you may want to have your free T3
and rT3 (inactive T3) tested.
HTH,
Susan

[Susan]

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Post by Patty Walker
Maybe I
should have my thyroid check just to be sure though.
Thanks Susan,
Patty

You're welcome, it's definitely worth having a look at it. Just be sure it's
not a simple, basically useless, TSH test. Free T3, and, if possible, reverse
T3 are the keys.

My own T3 was borderline til I went very low carb, then I needed
supplementation.

I still eat low carb, and for some reason, supplementing with chromium rid me
of the need for my thyroid pill.

Susan

[Marktvalu]

Post by Susan
I still eat low carb, and for some reason,

.......................

Tried it. Thought I'd starve to death after the first day.

- jean :)

[Susan]

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Post by Marktvalu
Tried it. Thought I'd starve to death after the first day.

There're lots of ways to do it, though. One way, the best way to start, I
think, is to just cut out all the white stuff, or half the starch you eat,
increasing fat.

I eat a lot of carbs, volume wise, but they're leafy instead of starchy. The
protein and fat I've increased keep me from being hungry.

Susan

[Patty Walker]

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[Susan]

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Post by Patty Walker
Sure, I would rather have *real*
chocolate and ice cream instead of sugar free....butt...:-)

Ah, but I only eat real very dark chocolate, it's amazingly low carb, and a
small bite or two satisfies me. I don't like artificial sweeteners, I get the
aftertaste.


Susan

[PaulS]

Post by Susan
Ah, but I only eat real very dark chocolate, it's amazingly low carb, and a
small bite or two satisfies me.

I agree, Susan, a small bar of dark chocolate, or two, is very satisfactory!

Paul

[Jim Chinnis]

Post by ENTconsult
When it comes to diet, I always refer to Woody Allen's Movie, Sleeper as the
best information.
Murray Grossan, M.D.

It is coming true.

[Patty Walker]

Read a brief review of the movie on the net....not sure what you mean by "It
is coming true" .... so, I am curious enough to ask...What is coming true?
Let me guess what the answer will be...."Watch The Movie"? :-)

Patty

Post by Jim Chinnis

Post by ENTconsult
When it comes to diet, I always refer to Woody Allen's Movie, Sleeper as the
best information.
Murray Grossan, M.D.

It is coming true.
--
Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG

[Jim Chinnis]

Post by Patty Walker
Read a brief review of the movie on the net....not sure what you mean by "It
is coming true" .... so, I am curious enough to ask...What is coming true?
Let me guess what the answer will be...."Watch The Movie"? :-)
Patty

Post by Jim Chinnis

Post by ENTconsult
When it comes to diet, I always refer to Woody Allen's Movie, Sleeper as

the

Post by Jim Chinnis

Post by ENTconsult
best information.
Murray Grossan, M.D.

It is coming true.
--
Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG

It's a Rip-van-Winkle sort of tale in which a health-food-store owner wakes up
to a future in which science has proven deep-fried foods and chocolate to be
healthy.

If Allen had picked alcohol and chocolate, he could have gotten a perfect
score.

[francispoon]

Post by ENTconsult
When it comes to diet, I always refer to Woody Allen's Movie, Sleeper as the
best information.

You might be right about that. Either I don't have meniere's or
whatever I eat does not seem bothering me at all, looking back in
restrospective. Currently I keep an eye on just the salt part. Beer
seems to calm me down. And cholocate makes me happy....not sure about
MSG.

FP
===================================

Post by ENTconsult
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com

[Jim Chinnis]

Post by francispoon
I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect tinnitus,
high sugar diet could do that also. Both high salt and sugar diet
affect the inner ear fluid concentration which could result in an
aggravated T.
Comments, please?
FP

Consumption of either salt or sugar has a very rapid effect on inner ear fluid
pressures. I don't know how true it is, but I've read explanations (in
technical papers) that attribute the sudden shift to passage of ions and
fluids through tissues and affecting presumably the outflow of blood from the
inner ear. It's a matter of a spreading change in osmolarity.

(Take a strip of cloth, wet it, and then apply salt or sugar to one end. Note
that the moisture moves through the cloth towards the sugar/salt.)

Sudden changes in osmolarity (ion/water balance) of the inner ear fluids is
believed responsible for the attacks in Meniere's disease.

[francispoon]

Post by Jim Chinnis

Post by francispoon
I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect tinnitus,
high sugar diet could do that also. Both high salt and sugar diet
affect the inner ear fluid concentration which could result in an
aggravated T.
Comments, please?
FP

Consumption of either salt or sugar has a very rapid effect on inner ear fluid
pressures. I don't know how true it is, but I've read explanations (in
technical papers) that attribute the sudden shift to passage of ions and
fluids through tissues and affecting presumably the outflow of blood from the
inner ear. It's a matter of a spreading change in osmolarity.

I read a paper which talks about this. But this phenomenon is
confined to people whose inner ear fluid system has lost its
independence and as a result is affected by the general fluid system
of the body as a whole. Currently, i keep an eye on only the salt
part of my diet. Also, i am taking in less sweets too. The rest,
including alcohol, coffee, chocolate etc., taken in moderation, after
repeated testings, don't bother me at all.

FP
===================

Post by Jim Chinnis
(Take a strip of cloth, wet it, and then apply salt or sugar to one end. Note
that the moisture moves through the cloth towards the sugar/salt.)
Sudden changes in osmolarity (ion/water balance) of the inner ear fluids is
believed responsible for the attacks in Meniere's disease.

[Jennifer Bell]

well I have started a tinnitus diary, and I have found so far my tinnitus is
worse after high levels of suagr or chocolate, and also for us women, it is
worse around that time of the month.
francispoon wrote in message

Post by francispoon
I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect tinnitus,
high sugar diet could do that also. Both high salt and sugar diet
affect the inner ear fluid concentration which could result in an
aggravated T.
Comments, please?
FP

[njs]

I have had tinnitus for 18 months, and I have gotten used to it. I was more
worried about insomnia due to it, since I never wanted my job or my familys life
to suffer because of my negligence getting this T.

But thankfully i am doing pretty well, and the noise increases when i am
stressed or due to increased salt content (MSG included). Sugar, caffeine,
alchohol (beer only) has no effect.

Being in the NY area, I recently read about Dr Choi's PSTR (noise cancellation)
success rate of 83% on single-pitch tinnitus, and just thinking about it, I have
slept even better (amazing how happiness controls our health problems even
better than these tablets!)

I am planning to check if my insurance covers part of PSTR, but what the heck,
to get that CD which sends a negating sound signal, i don't mind parting with
$1500.

This T/Insomnia has a tremendous impact on how i changed me from being a shy
technology geek into a more strong person overall.

// All i think the doctors know is 5 years more info than us (not enough to cure
T)

Post by Jennifer Bell
well I have started a tinnitus diary, and I have found so far my tinnitus is
worse after high levels of suagr or chocolate, and also for us women, it is
worse around that time of the month.
francispoon wrote in message

Post by francispoon
I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect tinnitus,
high sugar diet could do that also. Both high salt and sugar diet
affect the inner ear fluid concentration which could result in an
aggravated T.
Comments, please?
FP

[Ball 33]

Post by njs
I have had tinnitus for 18 months, and I have gotten used to it. I was more
worried about insomnia due to it, since I never wanted my job or my familys life
to suffer because of my negligence getting this T.
But thankfully i am doing pretty well, and the noise increases when i am
stressed or due to increased salt content (MSG included). Sugar, caffeine,
alchohol (beer only) has no effect.
Being in the NY area, I recently read about Dr Choi's PSTR (noise cancellation)
success rate of 83% on single-pitch tinnitus, and just thinking about it, I have
slept even better (amazing how happiness controls our health problems even
better than these tablets!)
I am planning to check if my insurance covers part of PSTR, but what the heck,
to get that CD which sends a negating sound signal, i don't mind parting with
$1500.

njs,

Aside from the fact that the tinnitus sound is perceived (as opposed to
real) 100% sound cancellation can only occur in the presence of two sources
at exactly the same frequency and phase. To accomplish this, Dr. Choi would
first have to determine the frequency and phase of you tinnitus, something
that would be impossible for her/him to do because it cannot be measured by
any known technology. Even if Dr. Choi were able to do this, and precisely
generate a canceling signal, cancellation would only take place if the
characteristics of the tinnitus sound remained perfectly constant.

This is "snake oil" so save your money.

Bill

[njs]

Bill,

thanks for the advise. Makes sense, it could be a marketing tactic, on how they
measure 'success' of quelling tinnitus noise. This opinion was shared also by Dr
Jack Vernon in the latest Tinnitus Today magazine.
But, as i have posted in earlier news threads, I have found the fan noise from a
$12 honeywell tablefan very effective to cancel out my tinnitus noise in a dead
silent room. Now, I will need to figure out how to record this fan noise on a
CD, and take it with me on business trips.

Post by njs

Post by njs
I have had tinnitus for 18 months, and I have gotten used to it. I was

more

Post by njs
worried about insomnia due to it, since I never wanted my job or my

familys life

Post by njs
to suffer because of my negligence getting this T.
But thankfully i am doing pretty well, and the noise increases when i am
stressed or due to increased salt content (MSG included). Sugar, caffeine,
alchohol (beer only) has no effect.
Being in the NY area, I recently read about Dr Choi's PSTR (noise

cancellation)

Post by njs
success rate of 83% on single-pitch tinnitus, and just thinking about it,

I have

Post by njs
slept even better (amazing how happiness controls our health problems even
better than these tablets!)
I am planning to check if my insurance covers part of PSTR, but what the

heck,

Post by njs
to get that CD which sends a negating sound signal, i don't mind parting

with

Post by njs
$1500.

njs,
Aside from the fact that the tinnitus sound is perceived (as opposed to
real) 100% sound cancellation can only occur in the presence of two sources
at exactly the same frequency and phase. To accomplish this, Dr. Choi would
first have to determine the frequency and phase of you tinnitus, something
that would be impossible for her/him to do because it cannot be measured by
any known technology. Even if Dr. Choi were able to do this, and precisely
generate a canceling signal, cancellation would only take place if the
characteristics of the tinnitus sound remained perfectly constant.
This is "snake oil" so save your money.
Bill

[Smarty pants]

njs, canceling noise is different from masking noise. While a noise
*cancellation* device such as Dr. Choi sells cannot exist given today's
technology, an inexpensive table fan can do a very good job of *masking* the
sound.

I mask my tinnitus with a radio instead because the intelligent commentary
further distracts me from the tinnitus sound.

Bill

Post by njs
Bill,
thanks for the advise. Makes sense, it could be a marketing tactic, on how they
measure 'success' of quelling tinnitus noise. This opinion was shared also by Dr
Jack Vernon in the latest Tinnitus Today magazine.
But, as i have posted in earlier news threads, I have found the fan noise from a
$12 honeywell tablefan very effective to cancel out my tinnitus noise in a dead
silent room. Now, I will need to figure out how to record this fan noise on a
CD, and take it with me on business trips.

Post by njs

Post by njs
I have had tinnitus for 18 months, and I have gotten used to it. I was

more

Post by njs
worried about insomnia due to it, since I never wanted my job or my

familys life

Post by njs
to suffer because of my negligence getting this T.
But thankfully i am doing pretty well, and the noise increases when i am
stressed or due to increased salt content (MSG included). Sugar, caffeine,
alchohol (beer only) has no effect.
Being in the NY area, I recently read about Dr Choi's PSTR (noise

cancellation)

Post by njs
success rate of 83% on single-pitch tinnitus, and just thinking about it,

I have

Post by njs
slept even better (amazing how happiness controls our health problems even
better than these tablets!)
I am planning to check if my insurance covers part of PSTR, but what the

heck,

Post by njs
to get that CD which sends a negating sound signal, i don't mind parting

with

Post by njs
$1500.

njs,
Aside from the fact that the tinnitus sound is perceived (as opposed to
real) 100% sound cancellation can only occur in the presence of two sources
at exactly the same frequency and phase. To accomplish this, Dr. Choi would
first have to determine the frequency and phase of you tinnitus, something
that would be impossible for her/him to do because it cannot be measured by
any known technology. Even if Dr. Choi were able to do this, and precisely
generate a canceling signal, cancellation would only take place if the
characteristics of the tinnitus sound remained perfectly constant.
This is "snake oil" so save your money.
Bill

[Jim Chinnis]

Post by Smarty pants
njs, canceling noise is different from masking noise. While a noise
*cancellation* device such as Dr. Choi sells cannot exist given today's
technology, an inexpensive table fan can do a very good job of *masking* the
sound.
I mask my tinnitus with a radio instead because the intelligent commentary
further distracts me from the tinnitus sound.
Bill

Well, shoot! You already had replied.

[njs]

ok. thanks guys. yes, its masking. but the fan noise is so gentle, that it beats
out the radio static, humidifier or similiar instruments.

Post by Jim Chinnis

Post by Smarty pants
njs, canceling noise is different from masking noise. While a noise
*cancellation* device such as Dr. Choi sells cannot exist given today's
technology, an inexpensive table fan can do a very good job of *masking* the
sound.
I mask my tinnitus with a radio instead because the intelligent commentary
further distracts me from the tinnitus sound.
Bill

Well, shoot! You already had replied.
--
Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG

[s***@gmail.com]

Post by njs
ok. thanks guys. yes, its masking. but the fan noise is so gentle, that it beats
out the radio static, humidifier or similiar instruments.

Post by Jim Chinnis

Post by Smarty pants
njs, canceling noise is different from masking noise. While a noise
*cancellation* device such as Dr. Choi sells cannot exist given today's
technology, an inexpensive table fan can do a very good job of *masking* the
sound.
I mask my tinnitus with a radio instead because the intelligent commentary
further distracts me from the tinnitus sound.
Bill

Well, shoot! You already had replied.
--
Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG

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[Jim Chinnis]

Post by njs
thanks for the advise. Makes sense, it could be a marketing tactic, on how they
measure 'success' of quelling tinnitus noise. This opinion was shared also by Dr
Jack Vernon in the latest Tinnitus Today magazine.
But, as i have posted in earlier news threads, I have found the fan noise from a
$12 honeywell tablefan very effective to cancel out my tinnitus noise in a dead
silent room. Now, I will need to figure out how to record this fan noise on a
CD, and take it with me on business trips.

I think you are describing masking, not cancelling. If the fan and the
tinnitus cancelled each other, you would hear silence in a "dead silent room."

[francispoon]

Post by Jennifer Bell
well I have started a tinnitus diary, and I have found so far my tinnitus is
worse after high levels of suagr or chocolate,

Sometimes it is hard to figure out which ingredient is responsible for
the execerbation of our T. I suppose in order to find that out, one
has to be abstinent from it for a few days or more. These
ingredients, salt, sugar, alcohol, etc., do stay in our system for an
undefined period of time before expressing themselves through a louder
T. Don't you think so?

FP


and also for us women, it is

Post by Jennifer Bell
worse around that time of the month.
francispoon wrote in message

Post by francispoon
I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect tinnitus,
high sugar diet could do that also. Both high salt and sugar diet
affect the inner ear fluid concentration which could result in an
aggravated T.
Comments, please?
FP